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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief


The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from and ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.

They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read:

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use, or hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted. should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.

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2009-05-27, 11:41:53
anonymous from Germany  

2009-05-27, 11:42:16
anonymous from Germany  

2009-05-27, 11:43:32
anonymous from Germany  
Der gefälschte Reisepass von Deborah Smith

2009-05-28, 05:23:42
anonymous from Australia  
HI every one i am guessing this one is a scammer as well had a few e-mails then i did'nt answer for awhile so have not heard any thing yet

She goes by the name of Natlia and made contact through a site aussiecupid she keeps cahnging her name but same infromation

copy of the first e-mail i recieved the adress she is using is

Hello dear Michael.I hope for that that my letter will reach you and I can see your answer.You very interesting man also I wish to have serious dialogue with you.To start our dialogue I wish to be presented and tell about myself.My name is NataliaNow I live in Russia.I do not wish to hide the age and 30 years can tell to you that to me.Probably you do not accept my age?It will seems to me that for our dialogue not a problem.I live and I work in Semenov cityTo me has surprisingly carried that I live in the city since the birth.Now I live together with the parents in one apartment.In working hours I am engaged in flowers.I very strongly love flowers and I have own shop on sale of flowers.This work is my life and my greatest hobby.I seem to me that the successful woman.After all I receive full pleasure from the work.In my life it is a lot of flowers.Flowers it is pleasure for each person.It will be possible to you very interestingly to know my favourite flowers.These are lilies.I very strongly appreciate these flowers and I feed for them special attention.I am engaged in flower business about 6 years and my shop is very popular.Flowers bring to people the romanticism and love.Probably you have favourite flowers?For me it will be rather pleasant to know your favourite flowers.As I hope to find out from you as much as possible in your following letter.It will be interesting to me to know whom and where you work.It is very important to me to know your hobbies and vital interests.I will be very glad to have your attention and dialogue with you.You seem to me very remarkable man and I want as it is possible to find out is better you.I wish you pleasant mood.Your new acquaintance Natalia.

2009-05-28, 05:26:09
anonymous from Australia  
second e-mail

Hello Michael.I have been rather pleased by your letter.I will not hide that that I very strongly waited for your letter.It was interesting to me to receive answers to my questions.It is very surprising and magnificent.Interesting enough man seems to me that you.On the Internet so it is a lot of people also it is possible to get many good friends.Now the modern youth spends a lot of time on the Internet.I not always find behaviour of many people in the Internet decent.It seems to me that the Internet dialogue passes is unchained.But I try to adhere to certain frameworks of decency.At my age of the woman any more do not play games and free flirtations.Though it sometimes happens very much even interestingly.I wish to tell to you about that that I search on the Internet.About acquaintance on the Internet I have found out casually watching TV at home.I was very strongly interested by that fact that people find in the Internet each other.It seems to me that quite probably and I can find here the happiness.Me search not friendly relations interests.My search consists in that to find enough the serious man.I wish find the man which can to give me care and family rest.At the age I do not get acquainted any more with men in streets.And it seems to me that I necessarily can to find to myself the worthy man in a network.Michael you seem to me very remarkable and decent man.To communicate and find out you it is very pleasant for me.As I am am surprised very strongly with that fact that you live abroad.But I think of that that it not a hindrance for our dialogue.People find the happiness in this world and in many respects the Internet promotes it.It is very interesting to me to know that you search on the Internet?We can probably be defined in our searches.I do not adhere with many men simultaneously.On the character I the one-woman man and for me am important attention only one man.And I consider dialogue very seriously.Now my choice has stopped on you.Our dialogue to be comfortable for us should seems to me that.I use services the Internet of cafe and I have possibility to visit it often.The cafe Internet is near to my shop.For me not the problem to visit him and to communicate with you every day.I hope for that that for you our dialogue mutually pleasantly.I very much like to find out you.If to you not difficultly that tell to me as much as possible about your life.All it interests me.I will wait for the letter from you.Yours faithfully Natalia.

2009-05-28, 05:26:49
anonymous from Australia  

2009-05-28, 05:27:45
anonymous from Australia  
another photo

2009-05-28, 05:34:03
anonymous from Australia  
Just a question am i putting this information in the right page or is there a submission page to put new or suspect scammers that i am coming across.

thanks for your help
2009-05-28, 07:45:40
Steve_dux from Australia  
@ anonymous from Australia 2009-05-28, 05:34:03

This thread is Ok for now! If you find she is a scammer then the admin may move it to it's own thread.

One question, what makes you think or feel that she is a scammer? All is see so far is the changing of names, and maybe an age difference. Also she repeats herself.

What we do need that isn't here, is an email address and a copy of the header that comes with every email.

For information on how to show full headers go here:
2009-05-28, 09:21:11
OJAS from United States  
Anon Oz,
You could first do a picture search at the bottom of this page, with a downloaded image. If you see hits, try posting in a dedicated thread, that uses this person in the opening article. If none post in the most active thread among hits.
2009-05-28, 15:50:18 from United States  
For those of you dumbazz people that want to keep commenting on the posting I put up. If you read all of them you would see the three letters and the one that has a different name that i pulled off the internet. this was a scam I caught it before any money was asked for or before she even said anything about coming to america. So I think I did OOOOKKKK for myself, and I dont care if anyone see's my address because I dont e-mail any other strange women AT ALL. I sent them a copy of the letter sent to someone else EXACT SAME LETTER DIFFERENT NAME. and never heard from them again. Thanks for the comments BYE. Oh i also did not even know about this site till after i sent her the copy of the other letter. So if anyone has advice I could really use let me know Thanks. OR IF YOU NEED ADVICE SEND TO MY E_MAIL ADDRESS I HAVE LOTS OF ROOM IN SPAM> THANKS
2009-05-28, 23:47:56
Agent,86 from Salem, United States  

Thank You for the warm Thank You, I received from, You.
I am the only one who went out of, My way to try to help a stranger.
All, I did was was try to warn, You about scammers on this site.
So that, You could have a chance to remove, Your e mail address.
No Thanks necessary after, You decided my help was of no value
to, You.
Have a nice Day kick my dog in the yard while, Your here. No Worries.
I post the same message to anyone for, Your information.
Most everyone is grateful for a little help.
I honestly do not believe, You either read or understood what, I said ?
If, You had you would not have said what, You did.
I'm just a Dumb Ass for thinking, I could help, You avoid getting serious
attacks from scammers.

Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//
2009-05-31, 23:50:01  
Can anyone tell me if they know this woman, is she a scammer or not, does she come from Accra, Ghana as she claims??? Also at one time this person photoed was a French citizen with a California postal address. Go figure? I am still in communication but want to stay secret for now. Just like all the other dudes out there I really want the truth. She is now on an Australian dating site and has been active for several months. Any help is appreciated, thanks guys.

2009-06-01, 00:20:09   (updated: 2009-06-01, 00:56:55)  
This woman types very long emails, claims to be from Australia but is now in Belgium. Her work place, and travel history is very sus. Claims to be an accountant but cannot finish her sentences properly. thinks Zurich is some guys place.
Also says the following spiel I'm am positive I have read this somewhere before...

I need a man with good conversation, intelligence, street smarts and one who knows how to treat a lady. I want to explore the world and do new things . I love warm weather, tropical drinks and sandy beaches. I like to party and have fun. I don't want no more drama in my life

She is already looking for serious relationship and marriage after 2 emails. I am an average looking 47 YO. white male, gO fIGURE! All I can say is GUYS; Be afraid, be very afraid...of this one.

2009-06-01, 01:39:50
Agent,86 from Salem, United States  

Hello, I will try to help but, You need to learn right up front several fact's.

# 1 Never post, Your e mail address on this site for any reason.
Scammers may swarm, You like locusts. They watch this site constantly.
Ironically, Your posting is just after another person, I tried to tell that
very same thing.

# 2 You should never post any photo's without first finding out if its
a scammer ?

# 3 You may have to request your information be removed by the site
administrator. His e mail address is above on the left just above where
it Say's Tell a friend. You must tell him the thread name, [ Primer for first
time visitors ( dating scams ) ] The Date 2009 - 05 - 31, The time 23:50:01, Page #67
You would have to repeat all that information for the second time to remove
information from both postings.

# 4 I will only address, Your first posting. As, You stated it is of a girl who
is supposed to be in Ghana. That single fact alone is enough to tell, You
yes it is a scammer. The other dead giveaway's are look at the photo.
American electrical outlets for the wash machine.
Also its a photo of a white girl. There are no white woman in Ghana except
a few at the Embassy's. They are not on line at all.

#5 Nearly 100% of scams from Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal, Gold Coast, Ivory Coast,
All of West Africa are men pretending to be a woman.
There are no Black or White, Men or Woman on line from West Africa that can
be trusted.

# 6 No matter what story, Your told as to where the He / She is from.
Its all lies. The photo's are stolen, They use fake names, They have many
e mail addresses.

The photo, You posted is of a known victim, Who's photo's have been used before.
If, You had taken the time to search, You would have found them, Yourself.
You hinder anyone from helping, You because, You did not give a name.
Or e mail address. Nothing to go on.
Please understand, I can only do so much with what, You provided.
I will only say for certain that, Your first posting most definitely is a scam.
As for the second ? Maybe someone else can help, You with that one.
Please take the time to learn about scams and scammer as, You clearly
are unable to figure it out for, Yourself.

#7 Never tell any scammer about this site for any reason.
Be prepared to be told anything in the way of lies to fool, You into
believing the He / She is real and, You must be wrong to say they are
a scammer. Be prepared to be scammed by the very same scammer.
Different photo's, another fake name, another e mail address, another
complete fake story.
They manipulate, Your feelings then ask for money.
Never send money no matter what the reason to anyone, You don't know.
Also the longer, You remain hooked up to a scammer the more information
on, You they gather. If, You sent photo's of, Yourself they can be used
to scam someone else.
Please also be warned They can use a fake web cam to fool, You.
Also many scam's can appear to be from Ghana for instance when, in fact
they are in the US or some where else. Or show to be in the US but from Ghana.
No surprises there at all.

Bottom line as for my opinion the first one from Ghana is a scam and a guy
doing it.
The second one is a scam also mainly because its standard practice for a
scammer to tell, You they Love You in nothing flat.
Again that may very well be a Russian Scammer ? A man also.

OK, I have given, You plenty to go on now.
Its up to, You. Who do, You believe Me or two people, You have never met
that suddenly fell from the sky and say they Love, You ?
I hope for, Your sake, You listen to, Me.
I have nothing to gain by trying to help, You.
In fact the guy before, You was a bit ungrateful for, My help.
I do not get paid for trying to help people like, You.
I am a victim of being scammed myself. My only gain is to fight
these lying Bastards that hurt many people every day.
My advice is to dump both of these scammers and then come back here
and post as much information that, You can so the scammer takes, a hit.
Plus, You may save someone else from being scammed.
Give complete details when, You do.

I hope, You save, Yourself now.
Kind Regards Agent 86 Maxwell Smart \\'^o^'//

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