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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief


The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from and ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.

They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read:

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use, or hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted. should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.

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2008-03-26, 07:53:44
anonymous from United States  
i do hope i can trust this site and you , thanks
2008-03-26, 10:28:40
Peter from Germany  
Regarding the lowest blue insect-like stamp I am missing an unbroken dark line at the bottom of the photo. So these stamps are surly put on the pic by software.
Even more important is that the girl got the wrong color of skin. Whities from Ghana always turned out as fake if there are any at all.
Last not least Daniel is a male name. She should spell herself Danielle.

This site is open for everybody. Scammers post here too more or less regulary to convince their victims or to justify their doing.
2008-03-26, 13:00:45
anonymous from United States  
yes i did see what you are talking about . daniel is her last name . im still asking her to prove herself to me , you have any ideas, she really seems to be for real , thanks for working on this with me . im really ready to go there and see for my self , i know my passport is real , and i have told her that i will come and she says if i do she is comming back with me ? she is as sharp as a tack . and i hope she is for real , i want to send you another pic and see what you think /

thank s

2008-03-26, 13:02:20
anonymous from United States  

2008-03-26, 15:35:26   (updated: 2008-03-26, 15:37:32)
Peter from Germany  
I just tried It works. Send them your faked documents. Then you can be sure. That police document looks very much 'photoshopped' because the photo does not look scanned in but applied later.
These scammers are stubborn and skilled on their job. They got a tradition longer than the internet exists. I still do not have a doubt that all is fake.

OJAS, if you are following, remember the link to that aussie guy who went there? He got kidnapped for some weeks.

Her some nice real girls from over there, no scammers:
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Dating scammer Ivy Larry

2008-03-27, 12:04:53
anonymous from United States  
i have tried to send these to ghana police and cant get it to send , how did you send one , maybe you can give me a e mail address so i can send to them ,

2008-03-27, 12:55:19
[hidden] from United States  
Ladies ifyou ever get an email from a larry smith in alabama or thats what he said he was from he scammed me for 1300.00. I thought he was being sincere. He stated that he was working in Africa and needed money to get home to put the jobsite back on track because there were alot of problems going on withthe job. All Lies. Went as far as to tell me that his mother was dead and she was the only one to help him. If anyone out there has heard of him please let me know. Also met him on don't be a victim like me.
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Another dating / chat scam - USA/ Nigeria connection
Another dating / chat scam - USA/ Nigeria connection

2008-03-27, 13:17:42   (updated: 2008-03-27, 13:18:10)
Peter from Germany  
Anon US,
At the starting page of in the very first line right is a point 'submit a tip'. Click there and you'll get a contact form.
Good luck
2008-03-27, 14:43:31 from United States  
hey peter
i seem to be having a problem getting it to sumit . do u think you could send them info for me and see if that works i can give u my e mail address to but on it , let me know what u think thanks
2008-03-27, 15:47:16   (updated: 2008-03-27, 16:18:13)
Peter from Germany  
albrlynn from aol,
did so, look in your mailbox. Yes, the submit form did not work, seems to be still under construction, but I found their email adress. Hope they'll answer.

Holy shit - the mail returns to sender! Tried again with a different one - got it back too at once. What kind of police is that?? The police site looks to big to be part of the scam but nothing is impossible. The adress on your 'criminal check' document - is it also Can't read it today. Yesterday the pic was bigger.

There is an other way to get your documents checked. You got to contact your embassy in Ghana.

Last attempt: I will put my letter into their guestbook! And: Didn't work too!! Do I smell the rat??
2008-03-27, 16:20:47
anonymous from Jamaica  
I received one emeil from this 'Girl' who clamss that she is in a refugee camp her father died Dr. Wilson Khalifa. And he died and leave her a sum of money that is $3.8 miollion dollars. Guys I am from Jamaica I do not have bank account . Rose Khalifa better find herself job
2008-03-27, 16:30:22
Peter from Germany  
No, this police site is genuine. Found it everywhere. Seems to be an internet domain problem. You could try to reach them by phone or fax.
2008-03-27, 16:33:43
Peter from Germany  
Jamaica, we all know this refugee camp! It is full of the nicest and prettiest american porn starlets. - I got an account! Should we share the girls and the money?
2008-03-27, 21:20:40
OJAS from United States  
Yes, Peter,
Searching for the phrase Support Oz thread
hits http://www.delphifa..p=0#72710
and, Do extra homework before visiting some countries links to,00.html
2008-03-28, 02:04:31
Peter from Germany  
OJAS, reliable as always, thx! You don't have to do this.
Congratulation for the Tata take-over!
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