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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.

Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief

SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:

The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).

Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/
and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/


They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!

More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!

If, by any chance, you don't believe any of this, please read: http://www.cheboksaryrussia.net/russian-scams/russian-scammers.html

So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .

  • 'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!

  • doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.

  • girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.

  • girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.

  • scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.

  • photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!

  • most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiance did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.

  • GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.

  • very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)

  • writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafs are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).

  • falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.

  • uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
    THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.

    MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:

  • she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
    Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.

    She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.

NB...you should check your national embassy website in Moscow for visa prices and procedures.
UK: http://www.ukvac-ru.com/document.aspx
USA: http://moscow.usembassy.gov/consular/consular.php?record_id=reqvdocs

There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.

Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.

There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.




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2014-08-09, 19:03:44
anonymous from United States  
hi guy been doing this for almost 5 years just as long as being single it was my first time being scammed about 5 years ago altho it did not hit at first til i put 2 and 2 together it was so heart breaking but here goes it was RAVEN RILEY but i did not know this til a year later i had her pic on one of my songs in my play list i was so stupid my memory was shocked after that guess i was looking at her chest and not at her face and when i called raven riley site they did not care i just wanted to talk to her to let her know they said they knew about it and did not have any thing to do with that and said sorry to me from that day on i was doing a lot of investigating work i have much info but keeping it to myself altho i had run ins with scammers using KELSEY another porn queen and YULIANA and now the recently BRIANNA another porn queen SORRY not sure where to put this but guys its unbelievable that this is happening but and yes i gave them money to just to see them on cam BUT how can they fake a cam to cam no lines no light or dark shades how are they faking that guess i will be single for a while i will write again...........off to the next one
2014-08-09, 20:19:02
Bax! from United States  
Friend Anon., U.S.A.,

Delphi has a bit of the same info that you are speaking of...
They tried to get me with Raven as bait lots of times!
Some of the reports are earlier in this Primer section.

All considering... you did well in only losing a couple-hundred bucks.
But for people to lose anythng is regretful, seeings how they only
wanted to find and share goodness with a true like minded person.
Here and other sites have many real horror stories about scams.

Welcome to Raven Riley's Scammer Alert page!
http://www.delphifa..128#249065

This info should show how they cam-scam...
http://www.youtube...awELfyB94A
Proof you can fake a webcam session. . romancescambaiter·79 videos

This should show you who they really are...
You tube, faces of real scammers video. http://www.youtube...UESU_bzojw

As you can see, there is a world of collected data about this.
People should only be cautious and wise enough to talk and search.
2014-08-21, 22:42:45
anonymous from Canada  
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This is very informative. The 419 and 234 are what caught my attention. I'm new to internet dating and that with feeling totally confused as to how this scam romance works is a real eye opener to me. These scammers are 'good'.what I have been receiving by yahoo message is exactly what I'm reading about here. I am so glad I found this site. And I looked for the site because the sh***t was getting pretty thick. Unfortunately many people will ignore the obvious and pay the price losing heart and money. If we can prevent this from happening to most that would be a great thing!
2014-08-21, 22:42:46
anonymous from Canada  
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This is very informative. The 419 and 234 are what caught my attention. I'm new to internet dating and that with feeling totally confused as to how this scam romance works is a real eye opener to me. These scammers are 'good'.what I have been receiving by yahoo message is exactly what I'm reading about here. I am so glad I found this site. And I looked for the site because the sh***t was getting pretty thick. Unfortunately many people will ignore the obvious and pay the price losing heart and money. If we can prevent this from happening to most that would be a great thing!
2014-08-21, 22:42:46
anonymous from Canada  
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This is very informative. The 419 and 234 are what caught my attention. I'm new to internet dating and that with feeling totally confused as to how this scam romance works is a real eye opener to me. These scammers are 'good'.what I have been receiving by yahoo message is exactly what I'm reading about here. I am so glad I found this site. And I looked for the site because the sh***t was getting pretty thick. Unfortunately many people will ignore the obvious and pay the price losing heart and money. If we can prevent this from happening to most that would be a great thing!
2014-08-25, 09:56:43
anonymous from Norway  
I Wonder if she is one of these ,or a true honest one ?


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2014-08-25, 17:35:53
anonymous  
yuliya izhevsk russia yuliya.caress@yahoo.com - find dating ..

yuliya izhevsk russia yuliya.caress@yahoo.com scam activiy report. yuliya izhevsk russia yuliya.caress@yahoo.com find dating scams or scammer reports, ...

http://www.1st-attr..evsk.html

www.russian-mates.com/.../yuliya_izhevsk_yuliya.caress-yahoo.com_rus...



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2014-08-26, 05:04:16
anonymous from Norway  
SO MAYBE THIS ONE AS I HAVE SHOWED ABOVE YULIVA FROM IZHEVESK ARE TRUE AND SERIOUS =)
SHE WRITES TO ME CAREFULLY AND NO RUSH ,WANTS TO GET TO KNOW ME SLOWLY ,AND ANSWERS THINGS THAT I HAVE WRITTEN IN LETTERS TO HERE.
SHE USES THIS E MAIL ADRESS:lagebna@gmail.com
She contacted me on the dating side ;match.com.
thanks for help
2014-09-04, 17:08:18
anonymous from Norway  



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2014-09-07, 19:28:15
anonymous  
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Re NALEY JACOB
Two different people wrote those emails. I am very very familiar with one's work. Take a good look at the spelling. Go back over old emails if you have them. You may see it. You may even be able to tell where he is from.....LOL You can also tell with the temperament of the emails. I bet you any money the second is more laid back, romantic, smoooooth talker, bad grammar. He uses more British English then American English. OMG why do I know this stuff.... I just noticed
2014-09-14, 05:35:24
anonymous from United States  
not all Ghanaian are scammers...is unfortunate you haven't meet the right person..but is true most of them are scammers they even scam we Ghanaian too using white guys pic...but my advice to the white guys is they should stop asking nude pics,from someone you are chatting with for the first time..if you ask for naked pics they will eventually ask you something in returns...
2014-09-16, 07:23:09
Trike001 from Thailand  
Hi guys.
Yep, stupid me etcetera.
Here's the latest on Ms Rachel Charway. Absolute stunner purporting to be from Ghana, of Thai Ghana parents, very religious.
Poor girl had to borrow a web cam and (not) and gave a few probing comments to 'feel me out' bla bla.
She was quite pushy for me to get off my dating site and commit to a long distance relationship. Wanted me to buy her a decent phone and international credit.
Anyway, have look at the pics. She's quite the glamour.


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2014-09-16, 07:23:55
Trike001 from Thailand  



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2014-09-16, 11:48:54
Trike001 from Thailand  
Hi guys.
Yep, stupid me etcetera.
Here's the latest on Ms Rachel Charway. Absolute stunner purporting to be from Ghana, of Thai Ghana parents, very religious.
Poor girl had to borrow a web cam and (not) and gave a few probing comments to 'feel me out' bla bla.
She was quite pushy for me to get off my dating site and commit to a long distance relationship. Wanted me to buy her a decent phone and international credit.
Anyway, have look at the pics. She's quite the glamour.
2014-09-16, 11:49:03
Trike001 from Thailand  
Hi guys.
Yep, stupid me etcetera.
Here's the latest on Ms Rachel Charway. Absolute stunner purporting to be from Ghana, of Thai Ghana parents, very religious.
Poor girl had to borrow a web cam and (not) and gave a few probing comments to 'feel me out' bla bla.
She was quite pushy for me to get off my dating site and commit to a long distance relationship. Wanted me to buy her a decent phone and international credit.
Anyway, have look at the pics. She's quite the glamour.
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